just for fun!!!
my friend sent this to me.
http://disney.go.com/vacations/websites/100yom/secret/flash.html.
You ready for this........... Goofy...... yeah, right. Thats shattered all my self confidence, thanks....not impressed, you realise that you have spoilt my perception of myself forever now don't you?!
And there I was hoping to be Tinkerbell, never mind!
jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.
these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.
so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.
Kat - Good for you girl! Sock it to him good and hard! Yours was a
very poignant posting which I really admire you for writing,
"I am right, you're wrong--I'll live, you'll die."
jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.
these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.
so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.
Tell me Individual's Wife, when Jesus exposed the enemies of the truth in his day, pointing out that they were hypocrites and murderous vipers, was he being unloving? You and your husband, as well as others, boast that you know Jesus, but it is obvious that you don't. But anyway, how do you answer? / You Know
The most hypocritical and venomous people I have ever had the misfortunate to meet have been in the ranks of the JWs. They claim to hold the moral high ground yet I knew of things that were going on that were abysmal and totally unethical, things that were happening in peoples private lives. They hide their wrongdoings behind the facade of the religion.
I do not boast that I know Jesus, in fact, I do not have any religious leanings at all any more, thanks to the JWs, they managed to suck all my spiritual fervour out of me. I now choose to sit on the fence and reflect on my beliefs. I could never love or respect the god of the JWs, to me he is very vindictive and cruel if he plans to kill millions of innocent people just because they cannot accept the views of people like you. All I know is that the supposed love of the Christ is not in the JWs.
Do you honestly think that by posting here you will bring people back into the organisation?? Do you honestly think they would want to spend an eternity with a man like you??
well i met my first witness (and it would have to be an elder who i always got on well with) last night after my disassociation 3 weeks ago and i was not prepared for how hard it felt.
i had the most human reaction of recognising someone i knew and had to stop myself saying hi.
he just rushed past me.
aud8 - Boy, do I know what you mean there....
I remember the first time I was shunned, a couple of days after I da'd, I saw my 'best friend' in the street and as she went by I smiled, planning to say hi if she smiled back. Well, talk about an icy glare, she stared right at me then right through me, it really shocked me and was very disconcerting. I went home and as I shut my front door behind me I was physically shaking, so upset was I. I was not prepared for the feelings of rejection. I felt almost giddy with all the emotions that were going through me, I was unprepared for this. I cannot abide conditional love.
Later as I had time to reflect I just found myself getting incredibly angry, how dare she treat me this way when we had been so close and I had been such a help to her when she faced difficulties. How dare she shun me when I had put myself on the line for her, she was associating with her mother who had da'd and I carried on speaking to her mother, I could have got into a lot of hot water over that yet I stuck by her, over and above the directions of the WTS.
Now shunning is a daily event for me, I have many JWs living in my area and I am out and about a lot so inevitably I see a quite a number of them, especially the mothers at the school gates. I no longer find it difficult, in fact, I have come to find it very amusing, the lengths that some of them go to to avoid meeting you in the street, what interesting things they spot in shop windows, the effort they take in rushing past looking as though they are on important business. Very sad.
I like to feel now as though I am the one shunning THEM! Puts a whole new perspective on it!!
jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.
these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.
so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.
YouKnow - When I read your posts it reminds me of some of the reasons why I left the organisation, to get away from stupidity, callousness, hard-heartedness, cruelty and self-righteousness. And before you accuse me of name calling, I am merely stating some of the qualities I found within the society. It breaks my heart to see people following such a misguided set of beliefs, it really does.
Jesus taught love, where is your love YouKnow? Jesus loved people, he had compassion for them. Where is your compassion YouKnow. Jesus felt empathy for them. Where is your empathy YouKnow? You claim to be a disciple of Christ - I wonder what he would think of your ramblings...
You ought to look in the mirror and see what sort of person you are, I would not like to be in a system that is ruled by people like you.
these are toys just released in the us inspired by british filmmaker clive barker (hellraiser).
those are some of the tamer ones.
i doubt youll see these in most mainstream toy stores.
Can you imagine the kids waking up on Xmas Day and finding these toys in their stockings..... shudder..... beyond belief really isnt it?
in response to the commonly-repeated myth that all ex-witnesses are bitter angry people with nothing better to do then attack their former religion, i thought we should set the record straight.
where are you in life right now?
are you doing things that you always wanted to do, traveling to interesting places in your free time, making great new friends, generally enjoying life?
GodRules -
All enemies of Jehovah seem to have great lives, but that's just because Satan already has them under his control.
Yeah, right.... I think the truth of the matter is that we are happy because we are no longer under the oppressive thumb and control of the organisation......
tergiverstor - nice thread - nice and positive!
My life has certainly improved since I da'd last November, I am going back to college in September to do a course then hopefully (if I get through the interview, fingers crossed) I will be going to nursing college the following September. I could not have dreamed of doing this when I was a JW, there was no encouragement at all to better yourself unless it took the form of reaching out for 'priveleges' or becoming a pioneer. Been there, done that, never again. Now I am going to do what I want to do for a change.
My family and I have been able to travel.. and to really enjoy it, without having to worry about finding the local khall and going to meetings when you really just want to be enjoying yourself.
My girls have been able to join the Girl Guide Movement, something they could never have contemplated before, it has given them a real sense of adventure. Instead of sitting in a draughty hall listening to some old bloke drone on they are out having fun, abseiling, camping, fancy dress parties, you name it. What a difference this has made in their lives, it has given them so much to look forward to.
And for me too, I have so much to look forward to now, not just some fantastical hope of a paradise but something real, something I can rely on being true and reliable.
As for religion, I choose to sit on the fence for now (I came across this statement on the ministry once, the elder I was working with said - ah, but do you know that it is Satan that owns the fence.... yeah, right..) I have been the 'victim' of three different religions now and feel a little bit weary, maybe somewhere down the line I will regain my interest in spiritual things, but for now, I'm happy, I can live without it.
So to sum up, I feel that I have done more proper 'living' in the last 10 months or so than I have for years and years. Long may it continue!!
mulan and seeker4 got me thinking in the previous thread called 'what did you do first?...'..
they both made the point that they were turning in reports when not going out on field service (tsk, tsk!
) and i remembered the times i 'cooked the books' a little and rounded up the figures, fiddled my time a little, counting time when it was not proper ministry.
Our favorite joke, as young pioneers, was to ask an unbaptized kid in the car, "What's Jehovah's name?" in order to start our time.
That doesnt surprise me at all Seeker4! I used to work regularly with another pioneer sister who would call for me at my house to go out on the ministry. Before we left she would get out the phone directory, choose a name at random, phone them up and ask them if they would like a visit from a representative of the local Jehovahs Witnesses. Needless to say, we never had any takers!!! But it did start our time, especially useful when it was a 45 minute drive to the territory sometimes... What lengths we went to just to get those precious hours in...
you are left with the idea that the WTS picked the worst possible way to spread the message.
seeker - long may their ineffectiveness continue....
jehovah has always had a specific date set for when judgement will be passed.. witnesses often ask at conventions: how many of you learned the truth just in the last year, 5 years etc?
aren't you glad the end didn't come before?
but in that same time, circumstances cause people to leave the witnesses who would have been judged differently 5 years before.. do our heart conditions actually change?
Joelbear - I always thought of it this way -
Brother X, been in the JWs since birth, raised in it, been to Bethel, now an elder and pioneer, devoted his life to Jehovah. Raised his 4 children in the religion, they too are all zealous. Brother X has been instrumental in bringing 52 people into the 'truth'. Then one day Brother X experiences problems with an aspect of the religion, decides he can no longer continue and disassociates...........
Then we have Brother Y, just got baptized, knew nothing about the JWs until 6 months ago when he started a bible study. Maybe does a few hours a month in field service, hasn't got any return visits........
Now, Jehovah decides to bring about the great tribulation and Armageddon. And where do these two brothers find themselves?? The JWs believe that God would put more value on Brother Y because he is in the organisation yet look at the history of Brother X..... So up goes Brother X in a cloud of smoke and Brother Y gets an eternity in Paradise. Does this seem fair to you?
mulan and seeker4 got me thinking in the previous thread called 'what did you do first?...'..
they both made the point that they were turning in reports when not going out on field service (tsk, tsk!
) and i remembered the times i 'cooked the books' a little and rounded up the figures, fiddled my time a little, counting time when it was not proper ministry.
My husband was once phoned by an elder chasing him up for his end of month report. He was told that if he could not remember what he had done.... just write down anything, just to have something down on paper, he said -'You must have done something - write down anything - the CO is visiting next month!!'
They just wanted to have as few inactive publishers as possible so they were encouraging people to be less than truthful.
